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so folks um i'm led auerbach i just uh

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let you know that i'm more or less

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hosting this so i will be taking care of

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your questions

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repeating them to brian at the very end

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of this after 40 minutes of his

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presentation so

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um please go ahead and put your

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questions or comments

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into the chat i'll monitor them if it's

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something i can answer right off the bat

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just as administrative or something i'll

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take care of that but otherwise

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i will keep track and be asking brian

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the questions later

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so brian you want to take it away

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introduce yourself and your topic

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um yeah my name is brian laid and today

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we're going to do a little bit of show

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and tell um on an application we've been

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developing uh the multi-event sensor app

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mesa 3. uh for basically doing field

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work on exceptional human experiences or

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entity encounter experiences whatever

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term you prefer to use

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um before i get into the details of

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course i want to thank thank james varan

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and muhammad ali

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who was an incredibly patient coder as i

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sent him

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many many outlines of coding

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expectations

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so um before we get into the details uh

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let's do a little bit of context and

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theory

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um the idea of mesa 3 is

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documenting ghostly episodes exceptional

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human experiences

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in the field

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and one of the things that we have

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kind of discovered over the last several

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years of doing research

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is a recognition of a necessity of a

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systems theory or interactionist

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framework when we're dealing with you

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know strange occurrences high

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strangeness out in the field

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i think at this point it's it's fairly

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accepted that we have to deal with the

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idea of dealing with the psychology the

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person and the environment

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interpreting various phenomena that

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eventually gets interpreted as

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um you know high strangeness or

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paranormal phenomena um

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one of you know one of the things that

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we're trying to do here by introducing

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mesa 3 is to start to tackle um the

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issue of environmental field controls

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um when it really comes down to it um

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you know there's been kind of sparse

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research over the last 20 years uh but

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if we're going to go into the field and

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we're going to try and document the

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cultural context in the environment

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you know paranormal phenomena so to

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speak

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we need a good experimental data tools

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to collect the range of compounds if you

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will

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that can be occurring in that kind of

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environment

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and we would also pause it and we've

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also been kind of pushing for the last

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several years

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um a need for big data lots of people um

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contributing

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to um you know environmental data field

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sets

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um you know in other words reaching out

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to the community of lay people citizen

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scientists um and it's our hope over

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time this tool will be the beginning

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of uh further collaboration with that

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you know group of

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people in the investigation community

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that have a hunger and a thirst for

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science um

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you know we may all watch the television

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shows and lose hope but there are a

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chunk of these millions of people who

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um you know are very interested in the

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science

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um and so we're kind of creating a tool

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that would hopefully make

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both experimenters and eventually lay

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people um happy

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for lack of better words so

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this is uh the mesa 3 application and

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you can see on the picture that i took

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that this is my child's haunted play

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area

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mesa 3 is an android phone application

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for collecting analyzable data in

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various quote unquote anomalous

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it is um it is built off of a lot of

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previous data loggers um in fact this is

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uh my personal third iteration

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um i remember originally when doing this

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10 years ago we'd have an entire truck

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bed of equipment

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that we'd have to you know put out in

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various positions to

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try and collect environmental data

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but after building a my own set of data

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loggers with auto arena components

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we eventually a couple of years ago

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started working on an application

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so the neat thing about mesa 3 is that

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it mandates procedures for quality data

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collection so we were thinking about lay

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people when we built this

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in the sense of how can we make

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a process of collecting a full range of

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uh for you know people who may not have

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um i'm going to talk more about it

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collecting data in a distributional

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format in just a second but again the

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to create a handheld app

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that would basically guide lay people

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quality environmental data for in theory

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a collaboration with a scientist who

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so one of the key features of mesa 3 is

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that when you use it it integrates all

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of the variables to time right um so you

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end up with a common timestamp where

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you can look at you know any sort of

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phenomena going on and sync that up

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through time so it allows us kind of

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post talk to analyze data if necessary

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because we know when and where something

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occurred at all time including the

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we've also integrated within the app

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um the survey of strange events um

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which is a 32 item rashfield measure um

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of subjective and objective haunting

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phenomena um we have a comments button

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where individuals can just add anything

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they need to that might be relevant

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whether they're moving

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for you apple fans um i apologize uh but

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cross coding is uh incredibly incredibly

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difficult across platforms so for right

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now mesa 3 is um only available on

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mesa works but it is dependent on the

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which means you have to have a phone

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that has the embedded hardware sensors

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can talk about that we've managed to

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over the last year a couple of very

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affordable cheap smartphones uh that

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will run most of the variables uh that

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data logging emf on all three axes

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about the distributional approach to

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experience and trying to measure emf in

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magnitude doesn't tend to cut it because

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meters are receptive

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emf in particular right you're not

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sending out a beam of energy to measure

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electromagnetic fields you're receiving

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the electromagnetic fields wherever the

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function of the inverse power law and

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significance test just looking at the

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magnitude of electromagnetic fields or

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environment where there's a lot of

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compounds and complex factors going on

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distributional approach to data

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actually provided on the dashboard every

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the median up there so that in terms of

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that are designed to guide lay people

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data collection so we have four of these

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uh baseline mode is a

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highly structured mode for collecting

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collections of environmental data um at

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a 90 second interval for each place that

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you're taking a baseline it also

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mandates photo documentation uh outside

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uh including uh power lines

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mitchell's mitchell indiana so if you

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guys may have heard of it it's uh pretty

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good for producing sensible pk phenomena

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um

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but you can see that we have the front

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the back the sides

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what's not shown here is that we also

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mandate pictures showing the distance

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between houses

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so the distance of the house to the left

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and the right of the location a picture

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of the backyard it mandates photos be uh

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taken of where the power lines are so

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you know about potential emf

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interference as well as photos um this

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one center down

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uh showing the distance of the road from

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the house so you at least can account

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for potential light or audio

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so um here we have uh big tables i know

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everybody loves tables

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but here we see kind of a

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truncated um output of what mesa

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produces from baseline mode so you'll

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notice here i took out the median from

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space

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but you'll notice that you get an

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average of all three emf

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um and you also get an average of a

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barometric pressure in this case

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and then spx spy spz and spb

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are the sum of the high and low readings

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that we got from that 90 seconds

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um so in this in this sense right we're

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looking kind of at a very basic map of

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what is the emf

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variability um as well as barometric

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pressure variability occurring outside

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two locations right the first one is the

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whispers that i just showed you and the

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second one is a uh residential case in

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texas that jim haran and i are currently

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also another big data table to the right

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you can see

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again in baseline mode

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you are mandated to take six pictures in

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every area that you baseline

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which is all four walls uh the ceiling

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and the floor um so to the right we have

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two examples of that for two rooms

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and you can see basically the same table

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truncated again uh showing all of the

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amount of spikes uh that were occurring

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in each one of these locations in each

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room

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um

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as well as a barometric pressure and

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light

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in this sense

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so um obviously i know there's a whole

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lot of data to look at and and the

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reason i'm showing it is is more of a

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issue of

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showing you guys the the capacity um of

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data that actually can come out of mesa

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obviously for users we're going to have

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to for layperson users we may have to

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truncate this a little bit

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um

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freestyle mode is a flexible mobile

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reading long term data collection mode

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it features the availability if you're

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going to use it as a mobile reader uh to

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enter phenomena using the survey of

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strange events uh comments it also

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allows you to take a photo and we'll

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instantly time stamp that and collect it

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with data

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so this can be used as a handheld mobile

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device

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where you can use the comment button to

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indicate hey i'm going from room one to

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room two or hey i moved my my phone

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around very quickly and messed up these

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readings

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which is another reason we have

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acceleration as a variable we collect

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because that can help us throw out

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data sets where perhaps a user move very

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quickly and through off the readings

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but it's

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also usable as a long-term data logger

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uh so in other words you put this in

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freestyle mode you can stick it in a

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room

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um and if you're just interested in

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environmental data it will happily chug

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away as long as the battery will run and

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if it's plugged into a wall outlet it

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will keep collecting data

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until you turn it off

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um

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when freestyle mode is being used and

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you're actually

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using the app to document stuff mobily

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so you're moving around with it

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photos are linked to pre-during and post

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environmental data output

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and i'll show you an example of that in

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so um as an example of a freestyle mode

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uh we went on a san antonio ghost tour a

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few months back and this was a kind of a

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neat opportunity for us to collect uh

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what i would call control z so we were

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fairly fairly dense

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uh populated area we did a tour over

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probably

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four square miles

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um and what you can see here from this

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table is that i was able to take the 90

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second average

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of spikes

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um that occurred with um x y and z emf

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as well as barometric pressure um so

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this is you know about 90 minutes 90

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minutes to two hours of walking around

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downtown um and you end up of course

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with a very large data set at five

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samples per second

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um neat interesting trick or something

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interesting that we found with this i

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was just talking about it this morning

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is the when we look at the amount of

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high and low readings

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and we look at the whispers and the

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texas outside baselines we have kind of

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an odd anomaly here um you know the

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freestyle san antonio tour

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uh you know shows us approximately 19 19

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15 to 19 spikes or you know outside of

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two sd readings

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for emf that occurred and very much

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pressure that occurred but when you look

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at the outside baselines for both of

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these sites which have fairly

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well documented phenomena they are two

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to three times

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uh greater outside now we're not talking

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about inside we're talking about outside

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um and this is a little bit

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contrary to what you might expect

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because if you were thinking about

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electromagnetic field interference for

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instance

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a downtown

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uh crowded building environment would be

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much more likely to have emf bleed than

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two small suburbs in which we took the

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samples for both the whispers

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and this texas residence and yet

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we see a large amount of variability

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here um and very significant variability

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in fact a lot of these actually were

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better than one in a million

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uh probability odds

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um

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what this means is not really clear i

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gotta think about it this is actually

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some some fresh data off the presses

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um

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but it does kind of uh run contrary to

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what

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um evp knock mode

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um

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so this is our third mode and uh we're

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going to be elaborating on this

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down the road with the institute but

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this is a structured mode for uh

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collecting evp and noc data so the idea

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in mesa 3 is that it's

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it's a forced structure you are required

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to type the question first

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then state the question

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and then you hit then there will be a

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five second record period and then you

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can enter your next your enter your next

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question so the idea was to put like an

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evp question session or spirit box

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session etc etc into a structured time

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format where the time is constant

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and also of course uh provides the

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environmental data that revolves around

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uh the evp session so

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if you look at this table right you'll

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see um in the label column pre-current

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and post

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in the question area um you can see

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right um is there anyone with us and the

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readings that are associated with that

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period

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as well as the audio file that it's

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linked to at the end of the table

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but also note that it's giving readings

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five seconds before you ask the question

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and five seconds later so if you're

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looking for a delayed response or a

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response that occurs afterwards in terms

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of the environment

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a researcher is able to look at that

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and then we also have um sentinel mode

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which works a lot like those deer

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cameras

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that people may have seen years ago

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this is a mode for monitoring a

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particular area over time

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beyond what freestyle mode would do in

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just terms of collecting environmental

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data

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so what simple mode does is it uses the

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front camera on the phone

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and it will trigger both a photo and

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audio recording of five seconds

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based on the environmental reading

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levels

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um the way the app does that is it takes

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a 90 second baseline to determine what

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the mean and the standard deviation is

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and then you can preset

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um sentinel mode

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by increments of 0.2 to 2 standard

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deviations

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uh where you want something to where you

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want basically mesa to trigger

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photo and audio collection um so if you

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wanted to make this thing super

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sensitive you can set all of the presets

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for the environmental variables so set

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emf x y and z at

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one in other words point two um and same

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thing with light and the same thing with

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any of the other variables and this

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thing will go off endlessly

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collecting photo and audio recordings

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that are also synced to environmental

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data

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um we don't recommend that we found

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we've found some certain settings that

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tend to work best in terms of capturing

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um

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basically good photos and audio uh but

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it's worth noting at the current time

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that we're using the light sensor

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as a proxy motion detector right so

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anytime you move in front of a phone um

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or if you've ever looked at your phone

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and it gets dimmer or it gets brighter

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as a function of having your

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face close to it that's that's the light

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sensor going off so we're using the

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light sensor uh to detect changes to a

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certain degree which would occur if

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somebody stood in front

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of the phone or if

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you saw some sort of light anomaly or

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something else

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to in theory trigger right the um the

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um here again we have kind of a two two

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screenshots or two snaps from a phone in

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signal mode

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where you can see again right the date

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um the exact period of time that's

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covering um the current which represents

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the data that was collected when the

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phone uh phone took the pictures and the

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audio but also the previous readings and

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the post readings again if you want to

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00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:09,039
look for a time lag effect in

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so um

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notes and caveats and here's where i may

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00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,600
ramble on for a little bit

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um

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mesa 3 is meant to be a flexible uh tool

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kind of a laboratory-grade environment

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data logger

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it's uh something i didn't bring up

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earlier but every time you use mesa part

572
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,200
of the output also provides the

573
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:39,360
sensitivity and resolution

574
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,880
of the actual hardware or sensors in the

575
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,039
phone that you're using so

576
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,120
if any of you guys are are thinking well

577
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,720
what if we're using different phones or

578
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,919
what if the sensors are different

579
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,200
quality

580
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,520
you can standardize that because mesa

581
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,760
will grab that information for you

582
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,760
and and tell you what the sensitivity

583
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,600
and resolution of each of the sensors in

584
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:02,320
your phone um actually are

585
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,120
um

586
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,280
it works as a participant level

587
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:07,760
documentation unit either through using

588
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,039
the comments or the sse scale it works

589
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,200
good as just a general data logger for

590
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,440
long-term observation

591
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,360
if any of you guys are doing laboratory

592
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,000
studies where you just want good

593
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,760
environmental data over the period that

594
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,679
you're doing lab work

595
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,080
you can put four of these phones

596
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,440
in the room

597
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,440
and let them run and you have your your

598
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,600
time synced environmental data and then

599
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:33,679
of course we want to build upon the idea

600
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,360
of an evp knock experiment series

601
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,080
for several reasons

602
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,480
which i'm going to get to

603
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:43,760
so again

604
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,039
mesa is hardware sensor dependent

605
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,679
so the phone has to have the appropriate

606
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,159
sensors installed to fully use as a data

607
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,919
logger

608
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,000
that can be a very tricky process i

609
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,440
think i spent somewhere upwards of 15

610
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,159
hours digging around websites

611
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,880
to try and find um a list of sensors

612
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,640
that are installed in various phones and

613
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,960
there's a lot of them um but if you

614
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,640
email us we can help you out with some

615
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:12,799
recommendations if you're interested

616
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,400
um and to be fully honest this is still

617
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,120
an application in development

618
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,799
we've been working on it for about 18

619
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,720
months but any of you with coding

620
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,279
experience knows that there are all

621
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,279
sorts of little bugs

622
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:30,159
that you have to put up with

623
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:30,960
which

624
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:34,080
cindy little who helped us a lot in um

625
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,600
early versions of this went through a

626
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,679
fair amount of frustration trying to

627
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,120
trying to help us

628
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,440
um we also need to make it more

629
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:43,760
user-friendly there is

630
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,799
um

631
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:47,120
you know kind of a gap between wanting

632
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,080
to make

633
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,400
uh the scientists in our organization

634
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:52,480
happy and provide really really rich and

635
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,840
full data uh but also make it usable by

636
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:57,840
people who aren't necessarily super

637
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:01,200
mathematically savvy um we do still have

638
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,440
some bugs uh notably uh some other apps

639
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:07,200
or notifications will interrupt basic

640
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,440
three's use and we are still working on

641
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,120
kind of a standardized data report form

642
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,679
uh that we can get mesa to produce uh

643
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,960
for people who don't want to dig into

644
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,200
endless endless data sets

645
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,080
um we're projecting a full version of a

646
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,880
full workable version uh for everyone to

647
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,279
use probably in six months it may be as

648
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:33,679
much as 12 depending on

649
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,190
in terms of why we made

650
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,880
mesa you know as i said at the beginning

651
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,480
of the presentation

652
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,760
um

653
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,240
you know we are really really uh really

654
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,000
really believe in

655
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,799
you know the popularity um and the large

656
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,679
body of people who are interested in

657
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,039
field phenomena

658
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,760
and so um we are

659
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,640
going to be producing uh training

660
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,440
education and hopefully some recruitment

661
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,840
uh from the institute cindy little is

662
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,760
going to be helping me with that

663
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,039
and we're going to use a two-pronged

664
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,799
attack we're hoping

665
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,520
to first create a series of hands-on

666
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,360
mini experiments

667
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,320
for basic lay person science training

668
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,640
revolving around ipc communication

669
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,600
control data um you know instrumental

670
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,760
trans communication and even though

671
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,200
there's not a lot of research that's

672
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,480
been done out there formally in

673
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:32,159
peer-reviewed journals

674
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,320
we as parapsychologists are left with

675
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,159
a simple fact that many of these

676
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,760
layperson groups regularly use evp

677
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,120
spirit box

678
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:46,000
knock responses or even flashlight

679
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,919
responses as evidence of the paranormal

680
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,559
yet we have absolutely

681
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,679
no

682
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,480
data in terms of

683
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,480
you know having uh control data sets for

684
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,600
these these type of responses how many

685
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:02,880
for instance

686
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,520
random knocks would you expect in a set

687
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,840
of 30 questions

688
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:09,760
um you know how likely you know what's

689
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,960
the with the random uh odds

690
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,200
uh through a data set of you know

691
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,480
getting some random knocks and the

692
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,799
answer is surely we would get some uh

693
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,440
same thing with not so much interpreting

694
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,320
evp but how often will you get an odd

695
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,200
noise in a five second period just by

696
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,279
chance um

697
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,279
the issues of peridolia aside and

698
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,760
interpretation of an evp we don't even

699
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,880
have basic response acceptances for any

700
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:38,880
of these um and they wouldn't be that

701
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,080
hard to create um and i'm going to kind

702
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,919
of stick a neck out and say we should be

703
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,520
doing it because

704
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:47,760
um if we can debunk it we should debunk

705
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,799
it if we find some validity in it um if

706
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,440
nothing else we can create controls that

707
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,120
people can easily compare their

708
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:57,840
responses against

709
00:28:04,389 --> 00:27:58,640
um

710
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,399
as maybe kind of a training method for

711
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:06,080
lay people and we're probably going to

712
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,440
put that on

713
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,360
the institute's website and maybe even

714
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:11,120
start a patreon campaign along those

715
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,080
lines

716
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,440
uh we're going to create a fairly

717
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,039
comprehensive mesa 3 training use

718
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,120
program for people

719
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,840
our hope is to get enough people

720
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,919
interested with this app

721
00:28:27,389 --> 00:28:25,840
and maybe doing citizen science and

722
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,399
working with other

723
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:28,960
parapsychologists

724
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,760
to um you know get them trained so that

725
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,520
they're comfortable using

726
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,600
uh this sort of application to help

727
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,279
document and collect data in their

728
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,750
um

729
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,000
the other big step that we want to move

730
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,320
into is

731
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,000
aside from lay person collaboration with

732
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:49,919
big data is some kind of internet

733
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,200
repository for mesa 3 investigations and

734
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,559
data sets

735
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,880
the idea would be that

736
00:29:02,950 --> 00:28:59,520
assuming uh you know either formal

737
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,960
groups or layperson groups used mesa and

738
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,200
met the criteria for following procedure

739
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,200
directions that we can have a public

740
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:08,799
website where these data sets would be

741
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,640
available for anyone uh to use access

742
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:14,799
analyze or comment on

743
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:18,080
um so that's kind of a very kind of wide

744
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,039
open

745
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:22,240
um public data set for you know haunting

746
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,240
investigations for lack of better words

747
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,080
and that having been said uh this is

748
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,000
where i i offered you a set of kitchen

749
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:32,399
knives if you just uh

750
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,840
try mesa 3 for 19.95 um actually no it's

751
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,679
free but we do need help with the

752
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,120
project um

753
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,799
we're going to do this on our own one

754
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,960
way or another but we want to emphasize

755
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,679
that open collaboration is wanted if

756
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,320
what you're seeing here uh is is

757
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,320
something you think you can use

758
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,799
uh we absolutely have no problem sharing

759
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,840
it with you we're interested in grabbing

760
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,000
layperson investigative groups for

761
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,760
further beta testing and training

762
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,080
reviews so we can make it better get the

763
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:03,840
outputs

764
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,159
you know kind of easy to use or

765
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,480
an easy method that you can share with

766
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,880
another group or with

767
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,640
people in a residential location that's

768
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,240
being investigated

769
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:16,640
we are absolutely interested in other

770
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,520
parapsychologists who want to

771
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,600
collaborate along the lines of field

772
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,559
research

773
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,480
and possibly guide some of these little

774
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,760
person groups

775
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,919
um and if anyone out here has coding

776
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,320
experience and would love to help i am

777
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:32,159
not prideful and i will

778
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,000
happily happily happily uh let you uh

779
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,640
help with the entire process

780
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,200
um so if anyone's interested um at all

781
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,919
in this project or using the application

782
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,000
um by all means

783
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,799
um if you think uh and honestly with

784
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,480
beta version right now

785
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,919
um if you're

786
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:53,840
mildly tech savvy

787
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,480
both freestyle mode and baseline mode is

788
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,480
pretty solid and the data is fairly easy

789
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,120
to get to and analyze um but if you have

790
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,279
questions or you'd like to get access to

791
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,480
it because right now we have it on a

792
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:07,600
restricted google play server

793
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,640
because it's not ready for full polish

794
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,679
you're welcome to contact bridget cotton

795
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,080
at israelnet.org she is our faithful

796
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,360
executive assistant and she will happily

797
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,679
get you in touch with me or someone that

798
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,080
can get you to the app

799
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,159
so i spoke kind of talk i spoke kind of

800
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:28,080
quickly with this but

801
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,200
um

802
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,399
magical

803
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,240
questions

804
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,399
page

805
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,360
okay

806
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,840
thank you brian that was great and sign

807
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,600
me up

808
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,600
got it

809
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:43,519
all right so i'm going to go back

810
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,799
to

811
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,240
the beginning here and find these

812
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,159
questions

813
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,320
we're all right so first thing there's

814
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,840
actually this this question actually

815
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:53,440
does relate to another question to some

816
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,320
extent

817
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,200
so the question was does it collect does

818
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,640
the the app collect gps data with the

819
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,159
photos

820
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:05,440
i would love if it would um and that is

821
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,720
a possible future

822
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,640
when i say possible i'd love love for it

823
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,640
to do it but you also have to recognize

824
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:15,360
the gps coordinates only get specific

825
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,240
enough

826
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,039
uh to like mark a location

827
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,120
uh but i'm fairly certain from what i've

828
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,960
been what i've investigated so far with

829
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,000
the tech

830
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,519
that you're not gonna get specific

831
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,240
enough to actually document room level

832
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,799
areas with gps

833
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,240
well and that actually brings up another

834
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,360
question

835
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,919
which is how's the data collected is it

836
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,600
is it a file on the phone is it

837
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,360
encrypted here's your network

838
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,200
infrastructure one question in network

839
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:43,120
infrastructure possible to automatically

840
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:44,559
load up the data

841
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,919
to dedicate setup project server but the

842
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,559
question is then related to

843
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,919
in the eu

844
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,320
we have to there are measures for gdpr

845
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:56,720
compliance and in california as well

846
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,240
for privacy so that the geotag might be

847
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,480
considered an issue with personal data

848
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:04,320
it could be um

849
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,600
to go back to the to the file access

850
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:10,399
we originally tried to get the app to

851
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,600
directly upload to a google account a

852
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,799
google email

853
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,399
um but we had some trouble with that

854
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,399
integration so in the current

855
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:19,600
version

856
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,200
it dumps all of the data into um into

857
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,080
folders into the actual phone and then

858
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,159
you can either manually upload them to

859
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,919
google drive

860
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,559
just by using a thumb and swiping

861
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,559
or you can plug your phone in and pull

862
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,000
the data directly

863
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,399
all of the data is in csv format

864
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,240
um right now we have separate folders

865
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,279
set up for evp mode for baseline mode

866
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:44,320
um

867
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,440
in the other one but the point is uh

868
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,000
yeah at this point it's all in folders

869
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:53,760
it's easily uploadable there's no

870
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,679
conversion necessary um all the audio

871
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,600
and all of the photos can be just

872
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:01,440
directly dumped onto a computer or

873
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,960
directly dumped into a google drive

874
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,960
okay thanks all right so this comes from

875
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:09,119
roger nelson which will be um they're

876
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,399
pretty obvious from the question from

877
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,560
the comment here it's more of a comment

878
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,720
and i think you two will need to talk

879
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,480
but roger says i'd like to talk about

880
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,560
generalizing the package possibly adding

881
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,639
modules for research on

882
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,320
consciousness for example the global

883
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,399
consciousness project data would be

884
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,720
greatly enhanced by these measurements

885
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:28,240
mesa can help us learn about

886
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,839
consciousness capacities effects fields

887
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,079
function as a connector across global

888
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,520
distances as a kind of non-local reach

889
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,960
absolutely

890
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,119
yeah get get it please get in contact

891
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,679
with me um we would love to further not

892
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,520
only develop this app

893
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,520
but we are really pushing

894
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,679
to try and grab funding to develop

895
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,320
further applications just for general

896
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,240
scientific research use

897
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,000
i would love to see

898
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,240
a well-encrypted

899
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,160
application collecting environmental

900
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,760
data but also set up to where

901
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,720
researchers could have students or

902
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,200
participants download an app

903
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,520
use it in a longitudinal diary format if

904
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,320
they wanted to do esp tests at random

905
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,839
times

906
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,839
to be honest the coding is not that

907
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,400
difficult we just need enough resources

908
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:19,760
and time

909
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,640
to put together more phone tools

910
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,240
so this is going to probably be the

911
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,320
first of several applications we want to

912
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,680
develop

913
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,920
and again input from anybody is more

914
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,599
than welcome because we intend to share

915
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,400
these with the community as a whole

916
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,599
that's great

917
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,359
okay um

918
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:39,520
can you say a few more words about the

919
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,200
three emf measurements

920
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,440
um well of course

921
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,599
by that i i guess

922
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,000
like kind of the background of emf or

923
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,760
i'm assuming you know they had three you

924
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,839
know different axes for the emf i'm

925
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,200
assuming that question is related to

926
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,280
that okay yeah so

927
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,240
normally when you're using emf meters um

928
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,359
they are collecting x y and z data so

929
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,240
right left right um forward backwards

930
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,720
and up down right x y and z

931
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,359
um your trifield meters your k2 meters

932
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,119
all the stuff you see on shows and the

933
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,880
stuff that a lot of people use

934
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,560
um even when they're they say they're

935
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,720
tri-axis which that's what that means

936
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,520
it's collecting emf data in x y and z

937
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,839
axes what it ends up doing is just

938
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,200
averaging

939
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,880
those three readings

940
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,720
um to give you the reading that you see

941
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,400
on your meeting

942
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,640
this is a little bit more broken down so

943
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,400
you can actually see what's going on in

944
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,640
terms of left right up down

945
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,880
and the reason we did that is that we

946
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,560
thought maybe some researchers might be

947
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,800
interested in triangulation

948
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,960
um in the uh

949
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,079
in the paper we published on the

950
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,720
whispers later than around 2019 we were

951
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,720
able to show because we were using x y

952
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,800
and z measurements that

953
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,520
um fields were not coming from another

954
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,440
room and yet we were seeing

955
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,359
um well for lack of better words

956
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,119
spontaneously generated fields or

957
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,359
changes in a small area in a room

958
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,160
where we were actually having uh two

959
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,280
beachball pk trigger objects uh moving

960
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,880
right we were lucky enough to document

961
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,839
like

962
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,960
11 legitimate movements

963
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,520
and there was a significant association

964
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,640
with

965
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,800
basically emf spikes high spikes and low

966
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,800
spikes uh right around the period where

967
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,560
those balls were finding

968
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,320
but we were also able to demonstrate

969
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:27,200
because

970
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,960
of the x y and z breakdown of emf that

971
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,599
the meter we had 15 feet away in another

972
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,920
room was not showing any of those

973
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,040
changes

974
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,200
and so by that deduction

975
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,839
um we could basically demonstrate from

976
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,079
the other meters that a field was not

977
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,920
being projected into this particular

978
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,359
room because the other meters would have

979
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,800
picked it up

980
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,960
um so yeah the x y and z is actually

981
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,680
very useful um if you're going to try

982
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,800
and

983
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,400
loosely tackle

984
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,240
um

985
00:38:03,589 --> 00:37:59,920
the complex environment of emf that

986
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,710
hopefully that's

987
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,320
yeah i think that makes sense uh

988
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,160
hopefully it makes sense to uh to the

989
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,599
person who asked

990
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,520
um and also a follow-up question on the

991
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,160
temperature is it surface or air temp

992
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,599
that these sensors might use

993
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,520
belief is air temp but i got to be

994
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,359
honest it would probably depend on the

995
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,680
hardware and the phone

996
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,960
um so

997
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,480
that's actually a good point for me to

998
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,640
check into and make sure that details of

999
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,839
the sensors are addressing that

1000
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,400
issue

1001
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,720
okay and then related to the barometric

1002
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:37,440
sensors will they pick up air motions

1003
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,960
and and deep subsonic sound

1004
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,400
again that's going to be a function of

1005
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,800
the hardware in the phone um

1006
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,480
and and i want to be careful here

1007
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,440
because

1008
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,320
um if you want to buy a eight to nine

1009
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:52,400
hundred dollar phone and you double

1010
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:53,440
checked it

1011
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,320
um

1012
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,560
you might get some very very you know

1013
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,880
sensitive sensors that that mesa can

1014
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,400
utilize but again

1015
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,000
uh the data that you're going to get is

1016
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,520
always going to be a function of the

1017
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,800
quality of the sensors that are

1018
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,520
naturally embedded in the farm

1019
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,280
okay um i think you answered this

1020
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,800
question question already about getting

1021
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,240
involved with the training and education

1022
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,680
program with that

1023
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,680
email you had

1024
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,440
um

1025
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,240
we're asked on what android version is

1026
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:22,560
it working or being developed

1027
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:26,160
um i believe it will work on anything

1028
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,599
from version 9 on up

1029
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:31,359
and i think currently

1030
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,200
i think they're in build 24 or 25 now

1031
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,160
so it will retroactively work on older

1032
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,000
phones in theory

1033
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,480
um but again if anyone has questions

1034
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,560
about the best phones to use for the

1035
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,920
best price

1036
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,400
uh contact me because we could spend an

1037
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,920
hour and a half just discussing that

1038
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,440
because there's a bunch of techy stuff

1039
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,599
that uh frankly i suspect a lot of

1040
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,079
people aren't interested in um if you

1041
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,400
write if you write me or write bridget i

1042
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,839
will point you in the direction of a

1043
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,640
couple of highly affordable phones

1044
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,400
um i can tell you right now we currently

1045
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,440
have them on eight uh eight moto e moto

1046
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,560
6's

1047
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,040
which go for about 45 bucks

1048
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,480
um to 50 so if not very expensive to

1049
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,800
basically set up a a complete

1050
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,359
comprehensive data logging system uh in

1051
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,040
a location

1052
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,400
because we were trying to think about

1053
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,240
price because we want lay people to use

1054
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,760
these too we obviously don't want to

1055
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,240
bury them in mounds of expense

1056
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,920
um that was part of the reason that we

1057
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:32,640
built these as well uh because i think

1058
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,920
the current try field goes for 185 210

1059
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,040
dollars

1060
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,280
um yeah something like that you can

1061
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,200
actually get a better better device than

1062
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,359
the tri field that that is not designed

1063
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:45,359
you know it's designed in a different

1064
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,760
way yeah for a lot less than that

1065
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:51,440
all right um

1066
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,319
device work in a non-broadcast mode

1067
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,240
without uploading i assume

1068
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,960
uh yes um as it stands right now uh the

1069
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,880
data only goes to the cloud if you send

1070
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,160
it to the cloud

1071
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:06,400
uh and you'd have to do that manually

1072
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,680
right so if you're gonna put it in your

1073
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,880
google drive

1074
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,119
um you'd have to open up your documents

1075
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,440
folder and basically use your thumb to

1076
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,000
shove it up into your drive so to speak

1077
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,800
so now as uh as it currently sits each

1078
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,359
one of these units are basically

1079
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:23,920
um you know keeping the data on their

1080
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,000
own ssd card

1081
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,920
or

1082
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,200
okay

1083
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,359
um marcus beck mentions that temperature

1084
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,960
sensors can be quite unreliable as

1085
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,240
smartphones can get quite hot

1086
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,119
absolutely yeah that's very true

1087
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:40,560
yeah sure yep

1088
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,520
okay

1089
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,480
um so how do we determine the projected

1090
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:46,720
tri-axis direction from the device in

1091
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,760
other words how do you know how to hold

1092
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,400
it

1093
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,160
i assume that'll be training

1094
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,800
yes yeah that that's that's training um

1095
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,560
and it's usually a good idea to set

1096
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,119
these uh set these units uh to a

1097
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,280
north-south orientation or an east-west

1098
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,720
orientation um and keep them that way um

1099
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,400
although depending on what you're

1100
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,680
looking at you know if you're not

1101
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:07,280
interested in doing triangulation or

1102
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:08,640
you're trying you're not trying to kind

1103
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,440
of figure out where the fields are

1104
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,680
then that becomes arbitrary um again

1105
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,960
that's one of the reasons i broke the

1106
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,520
data down to the x y and z axis so it

1107
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,880
can be as detailed or not as detailed as

1108
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,280
particular researcher wants it to be i

1109
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,880
wanted i wanted everyone to have the

1110
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,960
availability to go in depth

1111
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,960
um understanding that you know when lay

1112
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,720
people use it they're going to probably

1113
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:32,319
scream and faint when they look at the

1114
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,520
data sets

1115
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,720
uh so we got all the way around that

1116
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,760
all right i don't see any other

1117
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,359
questions but i'll just make a comment

1118
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,960
that i i think it's great if we can

1119
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,720
actually get

1120
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,400
this out to the ghost hunting groups you

1121
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:46,240
know it's it's new tech and they tend to

1122
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,960
be

1123
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,480
they tend to like that thing although

1124
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,240
you may have to advertise it as ghost

1125
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,440
mesa yeah yeah yeah spirit mesa or

1126
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,720
something you know branded uh for that

1127
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,880
uh we did get another question here um

1128
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,880
so the data will collect in an airplane

1129
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,599
mode am i understanding that correctly

1130
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:05,440
i believe so

1131
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,880
um because it's not and this is actually

1132
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,040
another important point the phones do

1133
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,400
not have to be so cellularly connected

1134
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,960
so you can literally buy a tracfone

1135
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,280
never register it with tracfone or any

1136
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,480
of the prepaid phones um as long as you

1137
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,400
can hook it up to an internet

1138
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,599
uh some sort of internet or wireless you

1139
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,520
can still download the app and use it so

1140
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,960
i want to make it clear that these don't

1141
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,560
have to be phones that are actually

1142
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,960
working cell phones they just have to be

1143
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:36,720
phones that are working uh that can

1144
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,790
that sounds great

1145
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,040
all right anybody else have a question

1146
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:46,640
we still have a little bit of time right

1147
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,109
all right so brian i think that's it um

1148
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,400
thank you very much for a great